O.P.P. Commissioner Needs To Explain Himself


O.P.P. Commissioner Julian Fantino (2006)

[The following excerpts are from a letter written by Mark Vandermaas (voiceofcanada.ca) and addressed to Ontario Provincial Police (O.P.P.) commissioner Julian Fantino regarding statements made in reference to the Caledonia fiasco–see blogroll to right. Gary McHale and Mark Vandermaas were falsely arrested for trying to place Canada’s national flag on a utility pole.]

Fantino (left) & McHale (right)

Book Author – Gary McHale

On or about January 08, 2007, you [Fantino] made the following remarks during a conversation with Jamie West on 900 CHML radio:

1. “People coming into the community to stir things up are not helpful.”

“We’re trying to keep people from escalating the situation into what some people wish it would become – a violent confrontation.”

2. “We’ve incurred a great deal of added impact on our resources when we have people coming into the community to basically stir things up. That’s very unhelpful. It’s caused a great deal of added anxiety about the potential escalation of the situation while we’re trying to keep things peaceful and allow these people to negotiate.”

Jamie West: “Should anyone be arrested for putting up a Canadian flag?

3. “I don’t want to get into the merits of discretionary authority given to and used by our police officers. They were quite well empowered to prevent a breach of the peace or anything that in fact was escalating potential violence.”

Today, January 10/07, you [Fantino] are quoted as making the following statements in an interview with Marissa Nelson of the Hamilton Spectator called ‘Five questions for Julian Fantino’:

Marissa Nelson: “What about Gary McHale’s plan to hold a protest in Caledonia and what are you doing to prepare for Jan. 20/2007?

4. “It is totally unhelpful. It’s agitating the community. It’s creating the potential for confrontation and violence. It’s totally unnecessary and unhelpful and what makes me very suspicious is that it’s done in the shroud of the Canadian flag and support for our men and women in the Canadian military – the whole notion of patriotism…

5. “People have to see it for what this is – it’s mischief-making and there’s another agenda here. We’ve been the target of this nonsense, just as the community has… The right to demonstrate peace-fully is not a problem. The right to incite a breach of the peace or spew hate and commit offences, that’s not a right, it’s an abuse of your rights… It’s like entering a darkened room where there’s a gas leak and looking for it with a match.”

Rebuttals

Comment 1: “some people wish it would become – a violent confrontation”

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that either Gary McHale and I wish that Caledonia would become a violent confrontation? Nothing is further from the truth, and you would know that if you took even a few minutes to read any of the numerous postings on VoiceofCanada.ca and CaledoniaWakeUpCall.com. Both of us have repeatedly called for a return to the Rule of Law, and our protests have been peaceful.

I would appreciate very much if you would provide any evidence you have to the contrary.

Comment 2: “added impact on our resources when we have people coming into the community to basically stir things up”

I did not come to Caledonia to ‘stir things up’ – I came to defend the Rule of Law and equality before that law, and – in the absence of evidence to the contrary – you have no reason to impugn my motives.

It was not Gary McHale and me who made the decision to pay hundreds of officers to guard a hydro pole against law abiding citizens who wanted only to erect a Canadian flag. That decision was yours. The added expenses incurred to the taxpayers as a result of lawful protests cannot be blamed on us, and I believe that it is highly inappropriate that you should do so – especially in public.

Comment 3: “They [OPP officers] were quite well empowered to prevent a breach of the peace or anything that in fact was escalating potential violence.”

lady_justice-350px.jpgThe Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that citizens have the right to place objects on hydro poles. I refer you to Ramsden v. Peterborough (City), [1993] 2 S.C.R. 1084. The court agreed with the argument that stopping someone from placing objects on hydro poles infringes on person’s guaranteed freedom of expression under the Charter of Rights.

girls-with-guts.jpgIf, according to the Supreme Court, erecting a flag on a hydro pole is within our rights as citizens, then you and your officers are not justified in arresting us because we are not attempting to breach the peace. In short, if the activity is legal there can be no potential breach of the peace. [photo by Jeff Parkinson: “Girls With Guts”]

As the Commissioner of a police force actively arresting peaceful citizens for trying to erect Canadian flags on utility poles, you knew or ought to have known about this decision prior to making your comments.

Instead of vilifying law abiding citizens and denying them their Charter rights, I would expect you to defend those rights, and protect citizens who choose to exercise them.

Comment 4 (part 1): Re McHale’s planned protest on January 20/07 – “It is totally unhelpful. It’s agitating the community. It’s creating the potential for confrontation and violence.”

garbag1.jpeMr. Fantino, it was not Gary McHale or Mark Vandermaas who used force to occupy land that was deeded to another citizen; assault your officers; destroy a power station; burn down a bridge; dig up and/or block highways (while your officers watched!); assault old people; assault a camera crew; destroy a resident’s home and paint ‘RACIST GO HOME’ on the walls, etc. [Reader’s note: click on the photo to enlarge – you can see what appears to be an OPP car at the far end of the bridge.]

openroad.jpgYou have no reason to believe that we were involved in those activities, just as you know or ought to know that we have never encouraged violence in Caledonia. Your statements imply otherwise. They also imply that any violence that does arise – no matter who commits it – will be my/our fault. I believe it is outrageous for the leader of a law enforcement agency to imply such a thing about law abiding people who have engaged in peaceful protest. I will not give up my rights simply because you refuse to defend them, or because you are unable or unwilling to protect me from those who would harm me as I exercise them.

patrol1.jpeI would ask that you provide any evidence you have that we are promoting, encouraging or provoking violence in Caledonia. If there are violent criminals on the occupied Douglas Creek Estates that are so dangerous and so well-armed and so volatile that hundreds of your armed officers could not protect us and/or the citizens of Caledonia from violence during the erection of a Canadian flag then I urge you to bring that fact to the attention of the media, the warrior2.jpggovernment and the citizens of this province.

I promise you, Commissioner, that if you were to issue such a statement AND it included a statement explaining that you had asked for ‘aid to a civil power’ from the military AND were refused that help, I will be the first to focus my attentions on the warrior3.jpggovernment(s) responsible for denying you the resources needed. Until you issue such a statement, however, it is you and your officers who must be held accountable for not enforcing the law equally despite your Oath to do so.

Comment 4 (part 2): It’s totally unnecessary and unhelpful and what makes me very suspicious is that it’s done in the shroud of the Canadian flag and support for our men and women in the Canadian military – the whole notion of patriotism…”

You knew or ought to have known at the time you made this remark that Gary McHale and I have never called for people to protest in order to support our military. Other people inside Caledonia may have done so, but we have not. I would ask that you provide any evidence you have to the contrary.

Gary McHale and I have – indeed – made known that our patriotism and duty to our fellow citizens are the reasons we protest in Caledonia in order to defend the values the flag represents. It is our right to do so, and I find it distressing that you find it necessary to publicly question our motives in the absence of any evidence to the contrary.

Comment 5 (part 1): “People have to see it for what this is – it’s mischief-making and there’s another agenda here. We’ve been the target of this nonsense, just as the community has… The right to demonstrate peace-fully is not a problem.”

What evidence do you have that Mr. McHale or I have been ‘mischief making?’ I would ask that you please provide any evidence you have that I/we have ‘another agenda’ and explain exactly what you believe that agenda is.

You know or ought to know that since Mr. McHale began organizing his March for Freedom events there has not been a single violent incident in connection with those protests. Since his demonstrations have been peaceful, why are you implying otherwise in light of your observation that demonstrating peacefully “is not a problem”?

Comment 5 (part 2): “The right to incite a breach of the peace or spew hate and commit offences, that’s not a right, it’s an abuse of your rights… It’s like entering a darkened room where there’s a gas leak and looking for it with a match.”

As noted earlier, the placing of objects on a public utility pole is a right upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada. Therefore, inviting other citizens to erect a flag on such a pole cannot be a potential Breach of the Peace because the act is not illegal.

nazi.jpeWhat evidence do you have that Gary McHale or I have been ‘spewing hate’ and ‘committing offences?’ Your comments are disgusting in their inaccuracy and show a reckless disregard for the truth. Hate has definitely been ’spewed’ and offences have been committed, but not by us. [reader’s note: photo is of a Caledonia resident’s home vandalized by cowards in the night. For the record – it was not done by Gary McHale or Mark Vandermaas.]

What evidence do you have that Gary McHale or I have been abusing anyone’s rights?

[…]

I find it distressing that you have – in my opinion – resorted to defaming loyal and – yes – patriotic citizens who are prepared to defend Canadian values in order to deflect attention from your refusal to offer a straight-forward explanation for the Two Tier Justice system your organization has perpetrated upon the people of Caledonia and Ipperwash.

Mr. Fantino, you owe me, Gary McHale and every other Canadian citizen who came to Caledonia in defence of equality and the Rule of Law a sincere and public apology for your comments.

[…]

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  4. Mark:

    Thanks for the link to your blogroll — I have reciprocated in kind.

    Those typos are now corrected — spelling or grammatical errors are an ‘occupational hazard’ in this business — even if this is not a job!

    Your gallant and tireless efforts of confronting the ‘two-tier’ justice system in Caledonia is much appreciated here at Elliot Lake News, and you deserve our full support.

  5. re: OPP COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF

    Hi again,

    1. Just realized that I mispelled the word, “seemingly” in para 4. Would you fix it up for me. I HATE typos.

    2. Also – in last para, I forgot the word, “announced” after the words “…has just publicly…”

    Thanks, VoC

  6. Dear ELN&V,

    Thank you on behalf of Gary McHale and myself and all the people of Ontario who have come to Caledonia to defend the Rule of Law against those who should be defending it for us – for lending your voice and your credulity to the fight against Two Tier Justice.

    History will remember those small people who argued against the ‘outsiders’ and were prepared to tolerate any outrage – no matter how far beyond the pale – rather than do their jobs and fulfill the oaths they swore.

    History will record, too, the people who stood up to help Caledonia and Ipperwash in the ‘dark days’ and the Elliot Lake News & Views will be there on the list.

    One thing that people must always remember is that history can turn on even a seemingly small thing like writing a short note, or the re-printing of a few words on a website far away.

    It most definitely means a great deal to those of us working 18 hour days while silly, hurtful and unfounded accusations are hurled at us – for no apparent reason. We are as bewildered as you must be. So, thanks for your interest and thanks for the help! It really means everything to us.

    It is my honour to add your site to the Voice of Canada blogroll. When I have some ‘free’ time I will be back – if I’m not in jail after January 20th.

    Let me leave you with some great news, if you haven’t already heard – MPP Toby Barrett has just publicly announced that he is throwing his full support behind our efforts. You can read about it in,”MPP Toby Barrett ends the debate: VoC & CWUC are ‘OUTSIDERS’ no more!

    Regards,
    Mark Vandermaas, Editor
    VoiceofCanada.ca

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